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Review: 2004 Saab 9 5
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|IF||2:55am on Friday, October 15th, 2010|
|The cockpit design is nice. You feel in contr... The so called "quirks" are not bad as some reviews stated.|
|mglazer||1:04am on Friday, October 1st, 2010|
|I bought my SAAB 9-5 2.3t HOT AERO saloon a month ago (53 Reg). I do love the looks.|
|ingcesarmendoza||7:44pm on Thursday, September 16th, 2010|
|The cockpit design is nice. You feel in control driving. Its not perfect but neither has any other car ive owned.|
|weber5||10:00pm on Thursday, August 26th, 2010|
|The Saab 9-5 3.0 V6 TiD has more power than the 2.2 TiD. Good fuel economy relative to engine size.|
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9-5/OG 9-3 Key FAQ/How-To
The 9-5 and Original 9-3 were the first Saabs to use an electronic key. Gone is the ability to simply have your hardware store cut you a spare key, these keys must be electronically programmed to the car that they will be used with. There is a lot of confusion and questioning on the respective boards regarding these keys, how to add more, what to do when you lose them all, etc. Hopefully, this FAQ will answer all the questions regarding these keys. This FAQ/How-to does not apply to any vehicle other than the 1999-2002 Saab 9-3 (and 2003 9-3 CV) and the 1998-2009 Saab 9-5. Earlier cars do not require programming as extensive as this, and the 9-3 SportSedan/SportCombi are a different breed altogether.
1. What is an electronic key
An Electronic Key is one which contains an electronic device called a transponder. Each transponder has a specific code embedded in it. The car must be made aware of the key and its transponder by programming with Tech 2.
2. How does it work?
When you insert the key into the ignition, the TWICE module (Theft Warning Integrated Central Electronics) energizes a loop of wire surrounding the ignition key. The electromagnetic field generated by this loop (think of a very weak electromagnet) provides power to the transponder. The transponder sends its electronic code, which is read by the same loop, and TWICE then checks to see if the transponders code is in the list of accepted keys. If it is accepted, TWICE tells Trionic all is well, and Trionic starts the car. If it is not accepted, the message KEY NOT
ACCEPTED will appear in the SID, and the car will not start. 3. Does it require a battery?
The transponder does not require any sort of battery to operate. As stated above, the antenna coil around the ignition switch provides the power for the transponder. However, if you have a key that has an integrated remote for the doors and trunk, that part requires a battery to operate. (more on the types of keys later).
4. Does the key have to be cut?
Yes. Although the transponder provides for the electronic unlocking of the cars engine, the key must still be cut for the lock cylinder to turn the ignition and door locks.
5. Does the key need to be programmed to the car to open the doors or trunk (manual door/trunk operation)?
No. All that is needed to get in to the car is a key blank cut for the key code of the car. Only the starting function requires the key be programmed to the car.
6. How many types of keys are there?
There are four types of keys. The first three are interchangeable on 1998-2003 cars. The last is for 2004 and up 9-5s only. a. Transponder Key 1: Plastic body, seam that goes circumferentially around the head of the key, in the same plane as the key shaft. Small SAAB logo. Opening the key head gives you one half of the head with the transponder chip in it, and the other half of the head is attached to the shaft. Easy to separate and open. b. Transponder Key 2: Rubberized body, seam that goes around the head perpendicular to the key shaft. Big SAAB logo. Separating the key parts gives you the shaft with the base of the head, and the transponder part with the loop of the head. Very hard to separate and open (dont try, unless you know what youre doing). c. Remote Key 1: Introduced for 2001, this key incorporates the remote door/trunk lock/unlock with the Transponder function. Three buttons on the key, with icons for unlock, lock, and trunk. Battery required for remote function. Door on the back of the key opens to change battery or exchange the guts. d. Remote Key 2: Introduced late in the 2003 model year, this key is like Remote Key 1, except the metal shaft is a different size. It is not interchangeable with the first three.
From left: Transponder Key 1, Tranponder Key 2, Remote Key (both styles showing cover, battery & guts)
7. What about the door unlocking, etc.?
The Remote function is handled by either a separate, black, banana remote, with the Transponder Keys, or the built-in remote function of the Remote Keys. Each type of remote allows one to unlock the doors, lock the doors, and unlock the trunk/tailgate/hatch (depending on model). Functionally, the two are interchangeable. A car can have all bananas, all integrated, or a mix.
8. Do the remotes need to be programmed to the car?
Yes!, The remotes work in the same manner as, say, your garage door opener. You dont want just anybody to be able to open your garage door or car, so the car must be programmed to accept your remotes.
9. How many keys and remotes can I have programmed to the car?
A good question. The maximum number of keys is four (4), and the maximum number of remotes is also four (4).
10. How do I know how many are programmed to my car?
You can view this information as follows: a. Turn the ignition key to the ON position and wait one minute. b. Press the trunk unlock button on the key or banana remote. c. The SID will display:
X: REMOTE KEY (X = the number of remotes for the doors) X: TRANSPONDR (X = the number of key transponders)
Note that one Remote Key has one transponder and one remote. When purchasing a car, always check this function and make sure you get all the keys and remotes that are programmed to the car. If you dont get the full number, have the keys and remotes you do get re-programmed to the car, which will eliminate any others.
11. How do I add new keys or delete old keys?
To add new keys, or to delete old keys, a Saab technician with a Tech 2 device must re-program the TWICE module. The owner cannot do this, nor can a mechanic with a generic code scanner. Only someone with a Tech 2. In order to do this, the owner must bring the car and all keys and remotes to the technician. The technician will start the programming process, and program each transponder and each remote to the car.
NOTE: YOU MUST HAVE ALL KEYS THAT YOU WISH TO OPERATE THE CAR, OR UNLOCK/LOCK THE DOORS OR TRUNK WITH YOU ANY TIME YOU PROGRAM KEYS AND REMOTES TO THE CAR. ANY KEY OR REMOTE NOT PRESENT WILL NO LONGER START THE CAR OR OPEN THE DOORS. NOTE 2: THERE MUST BE ONE KEY ALREADY PROGRAMMED TO THE CAR IN ORDER TO START THE KEY PROGRAMMING PROCESS. Thanks to Anders (SWEDECAR) for reminding me to put this in.
You cannot add or delete just one key or remote. You must do them all at the same time, any time you need to add or delete keys and remotes.
12. How many keys should I have?
The barest minimum is two. That assumes that one key will be left where it can be gotten to if the first one is lost. A recommendation is to have at least one more key/remote combination than you have regular drivers for the car. For example, if a person and their spouse each have a key, the car should have a minimum of three programmed to it, with the third kept in a safe place. Overall, the more keys and remotes, the better. Keys and remotes are cheap. Replacing TWICE is not.
13. What happens if I lose all the keys and remotes?
Believe me, you do not want this to happen. Should you lose all of the keys and remotes, then a new TWICE module must be purchased, along with at least one new key. The new TWICE module must be programmed to the car, as well as the new key(s). This is a very expensive proposition. You can save a significant amount by purchasing a used TWICE with key from an online auction site, but it is far, far better to never let yourself get into this situation by keeping as many keys as possible available for the car. 14. SID says: REPLACE KEY BATTERY This means that the battery for the remote either the banana or the built-in remote is getting weak, and should be replaced. Press the CLEAR button on the SID to acknowledge the message. You should replace the battery very soon. There is not a lot of advance warning.
The battery types are: Banana Remote: CR 2032, 3V lithium Integrated remote: CR 1632, 3V lithium
15. I changed the battery in my remote, and now my car doors wont unlock! What do I do?
Dont panic, this is normal. When you replace the battery, you have to press the UNLOCK button four (4) times in succession (near the car, of course). This re-synchronizes the remote with the car. 16. My keys have been working normally, but suddenly I get KEY NOT
ACCEPTED on the SID. What is wrong?
There could be several reasons for this failure. The key may have been damaged in some way, or other components in the system have failed. You can still start the car by turning the ignition to ON, and pressing one of the keys on the remote. The remote signal is then substituted for the transponder signal, and if the remote signal is accepted, the car will start (the exact function may differ slightly between 9-3 and 9-5 cars). Have the system checked by a Saab dealer or independent specialist. 17. I got dropped off at the airport today. When I got out of the car (I was
driving), I removed my key, and put in my new spare. I just picked up the spare at the dealer. The car was driven back to the office. When they went to start the car to pick me up at the airport that night, the message KEY NOT ACCEPTED was in the SID< and they could not start the car. What happened?
Dont laugh, this is a true story. TWICE does not maintain a constant communication with the key and transponder. Basically, it polls the key when you insert it, and then not again, until you go to insert it again. However, there is a 30-second window where if you shut the car off and remove the key, TWICE does not poll the key again, even if you re-insert it and turn it to start the car! So long as the key turns the ignition lock, the car will start. What happened to this poor soul was that they picked up the spare key, but did not get it programmed to the car. They switched the keys inside that window of time, the car started, and was fine all the way back to the office. Hours later, TWICE polled the spare when it was inserted, and rejected it.
Adding/Replacing Keys or Remotes
If you do lose a key or a remote, you should replace it soon. The first reason being you will want to have the safety net of the spare key and remote, the second is to make sure that the lost key/remote can no longer open or start the car! What you do may depend on which key you have, and whether the key is simply damaged, or lost completely. If you have a transponder key with banana remote that was damaged or lost, then you can replace any or all of the three components (key blank, transponder, remote) on an individual basis. However, this often proves to be the most expensive option. If you have a Transponder Key, the usual course of action to add on or replace it is for the new key to be a Remote Key. This saves space over the key with separate remote, and also is cheaper. So, to add on or replace a Remote Key (both types), you would one of the following: 1. Take your VIN or Key Code to a Saab dealer, and purchase an entire new Remote key. This will set you back well over $100. 2. Buy a cut key from the dealer, then buy another key from an online auction site, swap parts, and program the new key to your car. The first option is the easiest. Whether the dealer will program the key for a fee or not, is up to the dealer. The second option has a few steps to it: 1. Buy a new Remote Key (shaft & housing only) cut to your VIN or Key Code from a dealer. About $35 each. 2. Visit an online auction site, bid on and purchase a used Remote Key that has the remote guts in it. Figure between $20 and $30. I wouldnt pay more than $30. There are plenty out there. 3. When you receive your auction site purchase, carefully open the key, take the remote guts out of this key, and install it in the key cut to your VIN, with a new battery. 4. Discard the key shaft and housing from the auction key. 5. Repeat for any other extra/replacement keys 6. Take all of the keys (see note in red above) with the car to a dealer or Saab Specialist with a Tech 2, and have them program the keys and remotes to the car. Your dealer or specialist may charge you a fee for the programming, which may be a flat fee, or a minimum based on their hourly rate. Dont assume, ASK! 7. Enjoy your new key(s) for under $75 each!
SI No. PI No.
9-3 CV, 9-5, 9-3 SS
2004 Vehicle Identification Number
NUMBER OF CHARACTERS: 17 Alpha-Numeric, complies with U.S. and European Regulations.
Geographical location, manufacturer: Car line: Market, equipment: Body type: Gearbox: Engine: Check digit: Model year: Assembly plant: Serial number:
Car Line: Model Series/ Restraint Type: Body Type:
YS3 = Saab Automobile AB, Sweden E = Saab 9-5 F = Saab 9-3 B = 9-5 Linear / 9-3 Linear w/Dual Airbags D = 9-5 Arc / 9-3 Arc w/Dual Airbags H = 9-5 Aero / 9-3 Aero w/Dual Airbags 4 = 4-Door Sedan 5 = 5-Door Wagon (9-5) 7 = Convertible (9-3) 5 = 5-Speed Manual 6 = 6-Speed Manual 9 = 5-Speed Automatic (9-5 / 9-3 Sport Sedan) E = 2.3 L, 9-5 turbo (LPT) B235E
A = 2.3 L, 9-5 Turbo (Arc) B235L
G = 2.3 L, High Output Turbo (9-5 Aero) B235R S = 2.0 L, turbo (9-3 Sport Sedan LPT) B207L Y = 2.0 L, High OutputTurbo (9-3 Sport Sedan) B207R Numeric or X (calculated) 4 = = Trollhattan, Sweden (9-3 Sport Sedan) 3 = Trollhattan, Sweden (9-5) 6 = Graz, Austria (9-3 Convertible) Begins with 000001 for each assembly line, each product line, and each model year
Check Digit: VIN Serial No.:
Model Year: Assembly Line:
Saab Automobile AB Bulletins are intended for use by professional Saab technicians only, NOT a do-it-yourselfer. They are designed to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Saab trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have the condition. See your authorized Saab Dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information. 2002 Saab Automobile AB. All rights reserved.
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