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FIXING A BROKEN GEARBOX
PART 1: GETTING AT THE GEARBOX
A bit of background: This all started because suddenly the gear lever stopped doing anything; the bike was in gear, but all the gear lever would do is move up and down, with no resistance, but not actually do anything in terms of moving anything in the gearbox. Then I found this:
It had to be that. And so began this sorry saga, which I shall now attempt to document; I hope that none of you ever have to find use for it. To see the thread that started this, go to http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=25247.0. It turned out that two other Breva owners (Muzz and NOLAGuzzi, real names withheld to protect the guilty) also needed to remove the gearbox on their bikes, so between them and all the other people who contributed to the discussion, this manual is something of a cooperative venture. Thanks to all of you OK, here we go.
Breva 750 Gearbox repair
WHAT YOU NEED: Workshop manual and parts list: http://www.motoguzzisti.com/m/br/breva-750-frame-manual.pdf The e-mail and/or phone number of your local/favourite Guzzi dealer. Tools: as usual, you can never have too many of them. The ones I found invaluable were a set of hex drive sockets and T-handle hex drivers, in addition to the usual hammers and stuff. I really like these, with the regular hex key in the handle and the ball-end key on the shaft. Lots of containers (Tupperware-type things are great). A light whose cable you wont be tripping up over all the time (I hung mine off the ceiling). Lots of wire ties long ones for tying things up out of the way, 20 cm black ones for securing cables and wires on reassembly. Friends, preferably knowledgeable about motorcycles, and strong enough to lift the bike. Beer (for friends)1. If you are going to take the gearbox apart, I have no clue how you could do it without the two special tools that you need to get the nut on the mainshaft off and then back off again (picture). So you need those. One you can have manufactured (cost me about US$ 65), the other you have to buy from Guzzi (about US$ 185 ouch!), unless you have an old clutch centre lying around that you can make the tool out of. I have both tools, and hope I never have to use them again, so am willing to lend them out if you need them. For the rest of it, the only advice I have is that if you take a fastener out, screw it back where it belongs right away, washers, nuts and all; a heck of a lot simpler than figuring out where it belongs later. And keep the component parts of each subassembly together (in a container if it is some internal part that should be kept clean) and assembled in the right order, otherwise youll never figure out what belongs where and how and with what and which way round. Ive tried to keep everything in sequence, but youll notice that every now and again the pictures and the text are a bit out of whack. If in doubt, follow the text. Remember, Im new to the manual-writing business, and never intended to write this one in the first place. Ive tried to cover everything that I think may not be totally obvious, but Im sure Ive missed something. E-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org if theres anything missing or not clear.
I have it on good authority (aka Mrs. Muzza) that Muzz prefers wine; whether this extends to his friends, I dont know. Mine are happy with cheap beer, thats why they are my friends.
GETTING THE BIKE TO WHERE YOU CAN WORK ON IT Now that you have disconnected the battery, drained the gearbox oil, and put the beer in the fridge (you did all of those, right?), youll need some way of getting the bike up off the ground, and of holding the back end up and the whole thing steady, especially if the bike doesnt have a centre stand. Muzz did it like this (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=25247.0):
And I did it like this (which is why I needed the strong friends):
I built this fine piece of furniture out of scrap lumber; it measures about 130 cm long by about 75 cm wide by 75 cm high, and worked beautifully (Im about 190 cm (63)). If Id worked on the bike on the ground, Id be having back surgery right now, or else be in a wheelchair. I kept the front end steady by screwing a channel-type thing to the front of the table, worked a treat: The pulleys made it easy to lift the bike, adjust the height, and let it back down again; they would also have been handy for stringing myself up if the repair hadnt worked. Im kind of proud of it. NOLAguzzi took an entirely different approach, and crabbed the frame (see below): If, like me, you have no clue what crabbing means, all will be revealed (at least in principle) if you go to http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=10896.0. where all is explained; also, Pete Roper summarised the whole process in a single idiots guide2. Bear in mind that this was developed for big-block Tonti-frame bikes, so needs considerable adaptation for use on the Breva. The basic principle is that, rather than leave the frame in place and move the gearbox and/or engine, you leave the engine and gearbox where they are and move the frame, pivoting it around one of the engine mounting bolts. This is how NOLAGuzzi described it: There were some things I had to adapt because of the difference between the big block and small block Tonti frames. On our bikes there is a lower frame rail attachment that passes all the way through the timing chest. It is in the middle. On the big blocks, as described in the Roper pdf, you can pivot the frame on this bolt. I did not get that the bolt was in a different place on the small block until I had already started. I pretty much followed the smallblock Breva frame manual on what to disconnect. I took off the entire exhaust system and then the tank. All of the electrical connections mentioned in the manual, pretty much everything except the oil sending unit. Next I started undoing all of the bolts (5, 10 and 7 in the picture) holding the upper frame to the gearbox. Bolt 2 is what I used as the pivot point.
But it takes some doing to get there. I took off the side panels to expose the frame. Then I dropped the rear brake, disconnected the speed sensor and brake light switch at the plug and separated the brake line and the speed sensor cable from the swingarm and the brake light cable from the frame. Off and away now is the tank, both side panels, and all of the bolts are loose. I did not unhook any brake lines and the rear caliper is still attached to the master cylinder on the right side panel. Then I had to disconnect the ECU to get access to one of the battery plate bolts out. Now I am a smug bastard thinking this is going to work out just as planned. I can see that I can pivot the frame using bolt #2 by removing the top two and loosening the bottom ones. So I did, and nothing moved. Profanity ensued. I realized that the throttle bodies had to come off if this method was to have any shot. I had already disconnected all the cables, (2 throttle, 1 fake choke, clutch), and separated them from the mounts on the gearbox and crankcase. Then with much trepidation I stepped into the unknown realm of fuel injection disassembly. Once you remove the bolt holding the injectors to the manifold you just pull them out. It takes about as much effort to open a bottle of wine as a point of reference. Now its time for the throttle bodies to come off and much more profanity ensues. Once I finally got the damn thing off I realized how simple it is. The rear hoses are soft enough that you can deform them with your hands. If you loosen all three of the clamps on each side of the throttle body hoses you can squish the rear hose and pull it off the back of the throttle body while pushing it into the airbox. Once the hoses are off the whole assembly comes off easily. There was something, the neutral sensor wire I think, ziptied to the brace on the throttle bodies. That zip tie has to go. Now you can slightly pivot the frame and get the throttle bodies out. You may be able to get access to the Screw of Doom without the need to pivot the upper part, but I dont know for sure. Then I double checked that nothing was binding or would get pinched and tilted the frame up on bolts #2 on the left and right lower frame rails. So now you are at the point where I took the picture of the bike crabbed up. I thought that I could slide the gearbox back enough to clear the crankshaft without taking off a lower frame rail. I
was disappointed. So instead I loosened all the bolts from the bellhousing to the crankcase and tilted the frame back down and replaced all of the bolts that hold the upper frame to the lower frame and the gearbox back in. Then I rigged up something similar to the Muzz Breva rear support thingy. I put a 2x4 across a handtruck and the top of the fence (luckily they were similar height), and tied up the rear of the rear of the bike to keep the top frame stable, ha ha yeah stable, while I took the right lower off. I took off the rear bolts on the right lower, center stand bracket and frame brace, then both of the #2 bolts that link the upper and lower frame. Then I undid the rod that runs through the timing chest and links the left and right lower frame rails and took off the right lower rail. I popped out the gearbox/upper frame bolts, popped out the loosened bellhousing bolts, yanked the gearbox out, and immediately put the right lower frame rail back on and snugged up all the remaining upper/lower frame bolts. Then I pulled the ropes taut. My rationale is that my upper handtruck/ fence support structure is not the most stable so I dont want to rely on it for anything other than a brace of sorts. So now the bike is tied up to support the back part of the upper frame, but both lowers are back on. The whole ridiculous assembly is resting comfortably on the oil sump. I am patiently waiting for a new clutch plate and rear main oil seal. Having done this now I bet, and I really hope to not find this out, but I bet I could have both wheels, the complete exhaust, the tank, throttle bodies, and the gearbox off, as well as the flywheel/clutch out in about 8 hours max, figuring in a little time for beer and cussin. Getting it back together may be another story entirely but as of now I am optimistic. Thanks, NOLAGuzzi. Back to the original story: Assuming your follow my method (and you might not want to, and use the crabbing technique; I plan to if ever I have to do this job again), and that you dont have a centre stand, now is the time to put a jack or some kind of stand under the engine, it will prevent the bike from flopping about, since all that is holding it in place is the front wheel and the skyhook at the back. Note the trolley jack this is much preferable to the type of crummy scissors jack that comes with cars, which is all I had, and is horribly unstable and hard to use. Beg/steal/borrow a trolley jack if you possibly can; you might even want to consider buying one. Alternatively, invent your own support, like Muzz did (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php
REMOVING THE BACK WHEEL AND DRIVESHAFT: Loosen the clamps that hold the silencers (mufflers) to the exhaust downpipes (10 mm spanner), and unbolt the silencers from the footrest brackets (15 mm socket and 6 mm hex key). Unscrew the brake caliper mounting bolt (#15, recessed into the swinging arm; 8 mm hex key) and swing the caliper down (you cant take the caliper off completely until you take the wheel axle out). Dont forget to put a keeper between the pads (picture), and use a wire tie or similar through the mounting hole on the caliper to prevent it from dropping suddenly when you take the wheel axle out; it also keeps the bushing in the caliper. Undo the 24-mm nut at the right-hand end of the axle (theres a spanner for this in the factory toolkit). Its on tight torque setting is 120 Nm so you may need to put an extension on your spanner; putting all your weight on the spanner by standing on the end of it also works. Put a block of wood or similar under the wheel, to prevent it from dropping, or else get a friend to put that beer down and hold the wheel. Remove
Remove the exhaust downpipes (they will come off as one piece with the expansion chamber, although they dont have to). Make sure you take out the gasket inside the head (5), behind the split collet (6). By the way, in the photo, the clamp (7) is upside down.
Cut the wire tie holding the two drain tubes. You may as well pull the caps off the tubes and drain them, mine had quite a lot of oil in them.
Off with starter motor. Nice and easy: two screws at the front, one fat wire, one thin wire. Like Muzz said, comes off quicker than a lizard up a drainpipe.
At this point it should look something like this, although you may have less dirt and oily gunk on yours.
The arrows point to (a) wire tie holding bush in place in brake caliper. This is why you need lots of wire ties: not only are the bits together, you know which way round they go. Saves a lot of time and temper when you are putting the bike back together; (b) the rubber bush that you need a clamp and WD-40 to get back in, I wish Id fixed it when access was this good. Live and learn. Congratulations! Time for a beer and a moment of contemplation. You are about to get to the more difficult part.
PART 2: GETTING THE GEARBOX OUT
Now the fun starts. Next is getting the frame rails off. Muzz and NOLAGuzzi took only the right-hand rail off; I took both off, mainly because I was planning to move the engine, but also because it looked like less work than taking the centre stand off. I dont think it makes much difference which way you do it, but in any case the right-hand rail has to come off.
This is NOLAGuzzis picture, showing (from the top, short arrows: oil pressure sensor, screw that holds both grounding cables, clutch cable lug, neutral indicator) and, with the long arrow, the Screw of Doom. Simple enough, right? Well, it is if you do the intelligent thing and remove the throttle bodies, manifolds, etc, like NOLAGuzzi did, then you have access like that. If you dont, access to the Screw of Doom looks more like this:
And thats the good side. From the other side it looks like this:
Muzz somehow got the Screw of Doom out without taking the throttle bodies off and without moving the engine; I could not do either, and believe me, I tried. There is simply no clearance; you can get a socket in (just) but not turn it.
If it werent for that stupid screw, taking the gearbox off would be dead simple. Access to all the other screws that hold the clutch bell housing to the crankcase is fine, but because of the Screw of Doom, you have to do some heavy-duty dismantling. In my case, I moved the engine, which proves that I am a dimwit, as you will discover further on; unless you are a masochistic lunatic, I recommend that you use the NOLAGuzzi method (see pages 4-6 above), which gives you access to the throttle bodies, which you can then remove. Heres his description: Both throttle bodies come off as one piece. The only thing holding them on are the hoses. The tank should be off. I unplugged almost everything electric, except the sending unit connection, and took off all cables, pivoted the frame up, and blocked it under the airbox with a 2x4 scrap on the right side jug. Undo all three of the clamps but leave them attached. Facing the bike grab the rear hose, that goes into the airbox, with your hand palm up on the bottom of the hose thumb pointing at the air box. Squeeze the hose and push it into the airbox. Unhook throttle and choke (fast idle or what ever you want to call it) cables then pull the throttle bodies back and down and the whole throttle body assembly, both throttle bodies with the brace that is in the way of the Screw of Doom, will come off. I don't know if there is clearance to get them out without tilting the frame but I think it should work. Also there is a cable ziptied to the throttle body brace; you need to cut the ziptie. So now you know how to do it the intelligent way. The manual says that you can get the engine and gearbox out of the frame as one unit without taking off the throttle bodies. It may be possible, but I have no idea how. Unless you take the throttle bodies off, you cant move the engine back, and you cant move it forward or down because it fouls the down tubes on the frame. If you manage to do it, Id be interested in knowing how. And bending the down tubes or sawing off the cylinders is cheating. Theres some stuff you have to do before you can take the frame rails off. You pretty much have to take the fuel tank off at this point, if you havent already. Remove the black plastic grille at the front of the tank and the 10 mm bolt at the back, pull the tank back and lift it, but gently. You may have to get one of the beer drinkers to bend the plastic wings at the front of the tank out a bit if they catch on the horn (horns in my case, I installed a pair of Fiamms that really get the attention of dozy drivers on mobile phones; I highly recommend them). Support the back of the tank with a block of 2x2 or similar, viz:
Then follow Holts instructions for disconnecting the plastic hose-to-tank connector (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=25247.0): Give the thing a spray with some kind of dry lubricant - PTFE - use two nose pliers - flat ones preffably - one used for support and the other one for pressing the outer ring straight backwards. No turning! Connector works like an air-compressor hose connector
-when it's time to change the air filter you've gotta do it anyway. (It's said it CAN be done without removing the tank. But I don't have the fingers of a surgeon, the sight of an owl and the patience of a sloth. ) Also it's easier done if the bike has been standing for a couple of hours to release fuel pressure. Also, hearken unto NOLAGuzzis words of wisdom on the subject of getting the connector apart: The problem is the pressure in the lines. If you disconnect the fuel pump and turn over the engine it will be easy to get the fuel line fitting off. Even I can do it. Be careful not to break the plastic bits I think replacing them means a new fuel pump. And make sure to put something in between the front of the tank and the steering tube or you will chip up the front of the tank like I did. The two little hoses, one is a drain and the other goes to the carbon evap can, I guess now that my carbon can is missing that line is now just a tank vent too.
Here are the two little hoses. Easy to disconnect, tricky to get back on:
Disconnect the multi-pin connector (on the right-hand side) that goes to the fuel pump in the tank, and pull it up next to the red plastic elbow so that it wont get hung up on anything when you lift the tank:
Lift the tank off, and be very careful when you put it down that you dont damage the red plastic elbow. Its fine on a flat surface, the elbow is tucked up underneath the sides of the tank.
Disconnect the neutral switch cable, located on the top of the gearbox. Lift the rubber cap and pull the cable towards the front of the bike. Incidentally, this is an absolute pig to get at when the bike is back together.
The bottom arrow points to the place where the clutch arm return spring goes. I know I keep going on about this, its just that its a pain to lose. I know because I did just that. Cut the wire tie holding the grounding wire on top of the gearbox.
Disconnect the sidestand safety switch (you may not need to do this if you are taking only the right-hand frame rail off). Theres a couple of wire ties that hold the hoses and wires to the frame tube, Id cut them off by the time I took this picture. Obviously, they go where the hose is dimpled and/or there are marks on the frame.
Remove the screw holding the two grounding wires to the clutch bell housing.
OK, back to the frame rails. This is pretty straightforward. Remove the black plastic guard in front of the sump.
Support the engine with a jack (a trolley jack is best, believe me). Remove the lower gearbox mounting bolts.
Jack the engine up ever so slightly, so that the jack, not the frame rail, is taking the weight. Remove the hex bolts connecting the lower frame rails to the front down tubes. Cut the wire tie first, obviously. You need to do this on the right-hand side only if you are using NOLAGuzzis
method or if you are skillful like Muzz and got the Screw of Doom out without having to move the engine.
Remove the long through bolt at the bottom of the engine.
Lower the engine gently with the jack, and there you are; the rails come off without too much of a fight. If you took both frame rails off (and probably even if you took only one off), you now have a choice: build a stand that will hold the engine in place, like so:
Or wait until the precarious arrangement of bits of wood on the jack falls over and the engine drops and gets jammed in the frame, and then build a stand that will hold the engine in place. Guess which one I did. If you used a trolley jack, it would probably be stable enough on that, but the jack would really get in the way; some kind of stand is more stable and easier to work round. By the way, if I had to build this stand again, I would extend the cross piece and also extend it fore and aft; it worked OK as I had it, but it would have been much more stable that way. To get the gearbox out, remove the upper mounting bolt (this is a long through bolt).
The arrows point to the gearbox filler/level plug and to what I think is the neutral switch wire. Once the gearbox is out, given that the neutral switch is so difficult to get at, maybe cutting the
wire about here and inserting a connector might not be a bad idea; it cant hurt, and if the neutral switch quits or plays up, you can disconnect it here and forget about it. Of course youll then have to go back to the old way of finding neutral, by feel. Anyway, I thought Id mention it. Undo the rest of the screws securing the clutch bell housing to the engine (including the Screw of Doom), pull the gearbox back (to get the splined end of the gearbox mainshaft clear of the clutch) and down, And there you are. If you are NOLAGuzzi or Muzz, you have long since had the gearbox on the bench, but in any case this is what youll be looking at: Note how the back end of the box is sitting on blocks of wood; this is because otherwise it would be sitting on the clutch operating lever, which flops about annoyingly and could well get bent or broken if you forget about it or drop the gearbox or something. I should have taken it off (its just a cotter and split-pin arrangement), but never did. Incidentally, if you are planning on replacing the air filter, this is a good time to do it. Access is usually lousy, but with this much stuff taken off, its not so bad. Time for another beer, and while you are sitting there sipping, you may as well pull the clutch pushrod (arrow) out before it falls out. Note that it has a thick end and a thin end; what you see here is the thin end, which goes up against the clutch (see workshop manual, p. 5-18). NOTE: in the parts list, this is shown the wrong way round, i.e. with the thick end up against the clutch.
See the next part of this thrilling story to find out how to take the gearbox apart and fix it.
PART 3: FIXING THE GEARBOX
Put that beer down, time to get serious. Go to Section 5.1 of the workshop manual, where it tells you how to disassemble the gearbox. The first picture shows the innards of the gearbox, from which the clutch bell housing has somehow disappeared. So you turn back a few pages, but no, thats all about the engine, so you look at the section index and, sure enough, there on page 5-12, right after the section about taking the gearbox to bits and reassembling it, is the section on how to take the clutch bell housing off, which you have to do before taking the gearbox apart. REALITY CHECK: this is a Guzzi if you want logic in the sequence of the workshop manual, go and buy a Beemer; this is the world of Luigilogic. OK, this is where we are:
First job is to get that nut off the mainshaft. The workshop manual, as usual, shows that brevity is the soul of wit:
The little detail it omits is that Mr. White Gloves is holding US$ 250 worth of special tools, neither of which you have in your garage (you dont have the neat vice-held support either, but you do have friends and some kind of stand my Black & Decker Workmate was invaluable). The bottom tool you can fake by boring a 33 mm hole through a 36 mm socket and then welding a large cranked handle to it (cost me US$ 65 at a local machine shop, plus the socket); the top one you could make in a similar fashion if you had a clutch centre lying around, otherwise you pretty much have to shell out US$ 180 unless your local Guzzi dealer has one and will lend you it, or
else you can somehow make a tool that fits the splines on the mainshaft well enough that both it and the shaft will survive some seriously brutal treatment. With these two tools in hand, you knock back the tab on the lockwasher, for which you need a hammer and drift (aka an old screwdriver). Once the tab is clear of the slot in the mainshaft, you apply the two special tools, like so:
You apply all sorts of pressure, but even with you on one tool and your friend on the other, that nut is going nowhere; Mr. Guanti Bianchi is evidently Superman on his day off. So you use Special Tool No. 3:
Even then you have to use some serious violence to get the nut free; part of the problem is that it is difficult to hold the gearbox firmly, which makes the official torque spec of 100 Nm feel more like about 300 Nm. The vice-held support might have been handy here. Anyway, eventually the nut loses the fight, and you undo the hex screws that secure the bell housing (page 5-12). Whether you remove the gasket is up to you; I did, and most of what I found was that quality control at MG is not what Id like it to be:
I dont appear to have photographed the next step. See page 5-3 of the manual, which in this instance is pretty much grounded in reality:
The prescribed holding tool is the US$ 180 one, and I suppose you could do this step without it if you had a vice with soft jaws. You also need a large socket, I forget the size:
You are now here:
Remove the layshaft gear (on the left) if you havent already. For the next few steps you can again follow the manual:
Not sure what the pawl is, but what the heck, its whatever is there; I never took it out, so I didnt find out. And idle gear indicator is pretty much the same as neutral switch, so I took that out, it is very vulnerable where it is. Note how Signor Guanti Bianchi leaves the parts he has taken off just lying around on the workbench; either his bench is much cleaner than mine, or he has servants to clean things up, or
he works in the Guzzi Quality Control Department and doesnt much give a toss whether the bits are dirty or missing when he puts them back together. Whatever the truth, do not follow his example, especially with gearbox innards.
Once you figure out that what the instruction with the next picture means is not Loosen the locknut and remove the eccentric screw in order to position the preselector but rather Loosen the locknut and remove the eccentric screw that is there for positioning the preselector, it makes more sense. Before you loosen the locknut, scribe a mark on the screw head and a corresponding one on the gearbox housing so that you can line the two up, this will save you a lot of worry on reassembly.
TIP: From here on in, if you go away from the job for more than about 15 minutes, say, put the gearbox in a position where the oil can drain out. Several times I thought Id got all the oil out, but the minute you start working on it, either oil drips all over the place, or else it fills up the bit you are trying to work on. Hey, its a Guzzi.
And here is the Holy Grail, the innards of the gearbox; clockwise from top: mainshaft (primary shaft), layshaft (driven shaft), oil tube, selector drum, preselector fork).
And there is the cause of the problem: jammed teeth on the preselector. It should not be possible for it to be in the position shown above. The two teeth which are supposed to be sprung and engage on the selector drum shaft were neither; they were totally jammed in the down position, which fits the symptoms perfectly: the gear lever can move freely, but its actions are not transmitted to the gearchange mechanism. This is the difference between the new preselector fork (left) and the old one (right).
This is where the manual takes a break from reality. It says:
As Muzz discovered, there is no way on Gods good earth that the preselector fork comes out at that point.:
I managed to get mine out (just), but that was only because the teeth were jammed. Normally, you cannot get both teeth back that far; they are sprung in such a way that, if one of the teeth goes back, the other goes forward. Anyway, what this means is that you have to lift the selector drum so that you can get the new preselector fork in, and then get it to engage.
To help you picture what is what, here is where the preselector fork sits, and what it does, as I understand it:
The preselector rotates the selector drum, which in turn moves the actual selector forks, which then slide the gears along the gearbox shafts into the various combinations of the cogs that produce the five gears and neutral. Clockwise from top right: pins on which preselector teeth engage; selector star, on which each detent represents a gear (this one is third); hole for eccentric screw; slot that limits range of movement of preselector; shallow detent representing neutral, therefore, the detent between this and the one that represents third is second gear. I hope that makes sense. In this picture you can see (just) the detents for all the gears except fifth; obviously, there isnt one between first and fifth, so its easy to work out which one is which. Just for information, here are the component parts of the mechanism:
Heres the little bugger right after I got it out; if it hadnt been jammed, it would still be in its place. Then again, if it hadnt been jammed, I wouldnt be doing any of this.
The blocking ring (spacer, bushing) is still in place (right). Take care when passing the preselector shaft down the hole, there is an O ring there (barely visible). The screws inside the gearbox all appear to be held in with Loctite, and most of them are hard to get at, so if your hex keys have a ball end, like so:
and it starts to feel at all like the key might slip out of the screw while you are trying to turn it, my advice would be to grind the ball end off until you have a nice flat hex end that fits tightly into the screw head, and thus is much less likely to slip out and round it off (believe me, it happens; when I went to change the oil in the forks, the hex screw on the bottom yoke (triple tree) rounded off. It took an impact driver to get that one out, not a good option with these small screws inside the gearbox.). Dont get carried away with the grinder, though: there is one case where you pretty much have to use a ball-end key (see below). Enough of theory, time to get oily. First, remove the plastic tube, and undo the hex screw (left-hand arrow in picture above) and its companion on the other side of the mainshaft (not shown). To get the selector drum free, you need to undo three screws. As the famous author never said, but should have done Easy screws are all alike; every difficult screw is difficult in its own way. Here is the proof.
Screw 1: 5 mm countersunk-head hex screw, right slap-dab in the middle of all three shafts and behind the plastic oil deflector, about here:
You need a hex key with a shaft at least 150 mm long. Mine came out fairly easily; Muzz put up quite a fight. With this and the other two difficult screws, keeping downward pressure on the hex key while you get the screw free is important; sometimes its best to put a ring spanner on the key and use that to turn it, while having one of the beer-drinking friends push down on the key. Anyway, this is how you get it out (see what I mean about getting rid of the oil?):
A longer key would be nice; I could only get about an eighth of a turn because the handle of the key hit the ends of the shafts. Once the screw is out, you will need something magnetic to fish it out with, unless you get lucky.
Screw 2: This screw, 4 mm this time, is relatively straightforward; for a start, you can actually see the thing. However, you cant get a hex key into it square, because it is partially masked by the selector drum, so you dont have much choice except to use a ball-ended key.
So, you pray to Santa Rosetta Ondulata (parts list, table 15, no. 31) that Luigi did not use too much Loctite, make sure your ball-ended 4 mm hex key is in good shape, and have a go at turning it while putting as much downward pressure on the key as you possibly can. Mine came out fairly easily; if yours doesnt, I dont know what to suggest, beyond being circumspect.
Next is the nut that holds down the spring-loaded arm that bears against the selector star. The nut comes off easily, but when you pull the arm off its pivot shaft, the spring jumps out. No problem, you just need to be ready for it.
I say no problem; Muzz may beg to differ. When he took this nut off, this is what he found:
The stud was held at the two points marked, and the top of the stud, with the nut attached, was on the verge of going flying into the box, with spectacularly destructive results (not just for the bike having your gearbox lock up solid is somewhere between frightening and fatal). Mine looked fine. Screw 3: Finally, there is one more 4 mm countersunk-head hex screw.
Although the access to this one is much better than for the previous two, it caused me more grief than anything else, including the Screw of Doom. I tried the hex key that got its neighbour out, but it felt like it might be slipping, so I ground the end off the key, the screw still didnt want to move. Eventually, I decided that it simply wasnt worth running the risk of rounding the screw off, so bought an extra-long 4 mm hex key and a 4 mm ratcheting ring spanner, 200 mm long, both made by Snap-On, who supposedly make the best tools in the U.S. I ground the ball end off the key, so that the end was square, with nice sharp edges, and made sure that the key was square into the screw, and into it as far as it would go. It was a nice tight fit, so a tap or two with a hammer had it in there firmly. Next, we pointed a propane blowtorch at the general area of the screw for about 10 minutes, and got it nice and hot.
I then had a friend lean on the key with his entire weight while I applied pressure to the spanner. Even with all that, I was putting quite a lot of force on the other end of spanner and beginning to think we were wasting our time, when the Loctite suddenly gave way with a crack!, and that was that. The nice thing about this arrangement is that keeping the key in place and turning it are two separate operations, and with the spanner all the way down, near the screw, you eliminate the twisting and waggling inherent in using such a long, thin key.
With that, I was done; I could lift the selector drum far enough to get the new preselector fork in, so had no reason to go any further. Muzz, however, had some decomposing gears, so he had to go in further:
He no doubt followed the comprehensive instructions in the manual, page 5-6
Thats it. No pictures, no nothing; you are very much on your own. I shall let Muzz add something here if he feels so inclined. (Keep it clean, Muzz, this is a family manual.)
For me, this is where reassembly started. WARNING: Before you do anything, read pages 5-7 and 5-8 of the Guzzi manual (below); getting out of order at this point is not clever. That is the voice of experience talking. However, ignore the very first sentence; leave the selector drum loose, youll need to lift it one more time.
Not sure what all this spring measuring is about, but I did it anyway. The distances were near enough the same; if they werent, I doubt that youd need calipers to determine it.
Not the clearest of instructions, but fairly clear from the picture: the solid side of the eccentric screw toward the pivot of the preselector. At that point the screw is in pretty much as far as it will go.
I wish it were all that simple. However, it isnt:
The first bit is easy enough, even if, like so much in the manual, it skips over a lot of little details. What you do is lift the selector drum and waggle the preselector shaft into its hole, while fiddling the spring on the bottom of the preselector over the eccentric screw. Its not hard, just a bit fiddly and awkward; it helps to have someone to hold the drum up. I dont think that it matters where the preselector ends up relative to the pins it operates on the selector drum (see picture, page 36). The second part caused much doubt and debate, but we got it right. The bit about rotating the screw 90 means what it says: back the eccentric screw off a quarter turn from its position in the previous step, and tighten the locknut. If you scribed a mark on the screw and the gearbox casing like you were supposed to, its easy to line the screw up; if not, you do as I did, and eyeball it. IRRELEVANT NOTE: I hadnt noticed this before, but Mr. Guanti Bianchi didnt take the clutch operating lever off any more than I did. Since the manual pretends that you can get the preselector out without disturbing any other part of the gearbox, it doesnt mention putting all the bits back together that you had to take apart before you could get the preselector out. So forget the manual for a bit, back to reality. Next, you reinsert the three screws that you had so much trouble getting out. I used Loctite on them, up to you whether you do. The two 4 mm screws are simple, the 5-mm one a bit less so, because you have to get it way down there between the shafts to get it in. What you need is Kevins Patent Tool, a piece of dowel or similar whittled down to make it a nice tight fit in the recess in the head of the screw, like so:
With a dab of grease on the washer to prevent it falling off the screw, you can then get the screw started in its hole way down there between the shafts, like so:
Tighten it up with the 5 mm hex key, and thats that. Next, reinsert the two screws that hold down the plate below the layshaft (arrow; its mate is round on the other side of the layshaft). Then refit the sprung arm with the roller on the end that bears against the selector star (page 40). This is not difficult, but it is a pain: you have to be careful because, while you are refitting the arm, with the spring round it (arrow), the straight end of the spring, which bears up against the gearbox casing, will jump out over the edge of the casing and could easily scratch the mating surface.
Next, refit the plastic oil tube, which has a notch that fits against the hex screw marked above, so you cant go wrong. Back to the manual:
The prescribed torque is 10 Nm (7.5 lb/ft). In real life, it looks like this:
I have no idea why I have the gasket on the wrong section of the casing (right); obviously, it should be on the section with the gears in it (left), the way Signor GB has it, otherwise the gasket falls off when you lower the right section on to the left one.
Prescribed torque is 65 Nm (48 lb/ft). Life is much easier here if you have the splined special tool.
With impeccable Italian logic, we move to page 5-15 of the manual.
It appears from the parts list that a sieger is an o-ring (Table 14, no. 14). If you kept the parts in order, it should be obvious. I cant remember; I hope I didnt forget it. And the blocking ring is presumably the spacer that goes inside the oil seal behind the nut; it goes in tapered side first.
And page 5-16
Note that this is the first time that Loctite (thread locking paste) has been mentioned.
I never took the breather plug out, so the last instruction did not apply. Prescribed torque is 10 Nm (7.5 lb/ft) for the casing screws, and 100 Nm (75 lb/ft) for the mainshaft nut. Again, you need special tools, this time both of them.
And that is pretty much it. From here on in, reassembly is pretty much the reverse of removal; I cant think of anything that was particularly difficult or obscure (unless, of course, you dropped the engine, in which case its a whole different story, which does not belong here). Feel free to let me know if Ive missed anything, or if you have something youd like to add. Based on my experience, I'd say that anybody wanting to take a 750 Breva gearbox apart who doesn't have access to anything fancier than a reasonably-equipped home workshop and a large hammer needs the following four tools: 1. The Guzzi tool for holding the splined end of the input shaft (you need this twice while dismantling, and twice during reassembly), or some home-made facsimile thereof. 2. The Guzzi tool for loosening/tightening the nut on the input shaft, or else the home-grown alternative: a 36-mm socket with a nice long cranked handle welded on it and with the centre hole bored out to about 33 mm so that the head of the splined Guzzi tool will pass through it (needed once for dismantling and once for reassembly). I bought a set of eight cheapo sockets sold for taking car suspensions and steering apart and had a local machine shop put the tool together. 3. 4 and 5 mm hex keys, with a shaft preferably about 200 mm long, and with a T-handle or similar, so that you can put a lot of pressure on the key without it going out of square. 4. A 4 mm ring spanner, so that you can turn the 4-mm hex key nice and close to the screw head, to eliminate twisting and waggling. I paid about US$ 27 (!) for mine, which is the only one that I could find - evidently there is not much of a market for such spanners (this one is sold specifically for adjusting Ford headlights). Some final odds and ends:
After refitting the preselector and bolting everything down, but before putting the casing back on (in other words, about here): I spun the shafts just to make sure everything was moving freely; they moved just fine. I then tried to select different gears by moving the selector drum so that the roller on the sprung arm that bears up against the selector star was in the corresponding position, thus effectively changing gear. This worked fine, selector forks and dogs and all moving freely until suddenly the whole thing jammed and nothing would move. We eventually freed it off, I cant remember how (nor can I remember what position anything was in when it jammed), and left it alone during the rest of the reassembly; the next time anything was moved in the gearbox was when we checked to make sure we had five gears and a neutral when the gearbox was mated to the engine and both were fitted into the frame. I have no idea what happened, but it all works now. We assembled the gearbox with the selector star in neutral; I have no idea whether this is right, or whether it matters which gear it is in when you assemble the gearbox. Neutral has the advantage of being easy to check if you can spin the input shaft without the output shaft moving, the gearbox is in neutral. The position of the preselector relative to the selector drum does not seem to matter, which makes sense the preselector performs the same action every time there is a change of gear, up or down. The important relationship is that between the selector forks and the cogs, and nothing I did affected that. I would have liked to check whether I had five gears and neutral before putting the gearbox back in the frame, but couldnt figure out how to do it. The obvious way would be to fit the gear lever directly to the gearchange shaft on the gearbox, but the diameters seemed to be slightly different, and I was not about to risk damaging the splines on either the shaft or the lever. Once the whole thing was back together and we started the bike, the engine died as soon as a gear was engaged. Obviously the sidestand interlock was at fault; eventually we found that one of the two pins in the female connector for the wire from the sidestand had been pushed back when we reconnected the connector; once we pushed the pin back into the connector where it belonged, the problem was solved. Finally, for about the first 30-odd miles, the gearbox changed up beautifully, but downshifts were crunchy, and finding neutral (or engaging first) with the bike at a standstill was nearly impossible it felt like the gearbox was seized. After that, and ever since, the gearchange has been just fine. Who knows why that happened, I certainly dont. I now have almost 2,000 miles on the box, and it works fine. In retrospect, it would have been easier, and no more expensive, to have bought a whole used gearbox (supposing I could find one) and slot it in, but it wouldnt have been so educational. Plus, it might have gone wrong just like this one did. Anyway, if you ever need to do this job and pray that you dont I hope this will help.
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